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		<title>By: not a gator</title>
		<link>http://streetsblog.net/2010/03/18/how-can-bicycles-and-buses-share-the-road-more-safely/comment-page-1/#comment-3087</link>
		<dc:creator>not a gator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the bus driver can see your bicycle just fine until you&#039;re practically abreast of me. However, we might get into trouble if I&#039;ve committed to a turn and you&#039;re tearing down a hill at 30mph. A car doing that can stop easily, but you can&#039;t. Then you&#039;ll discover the sad truth that you + bicycle only weigh 150lbs, while my bus--unladen--weighs 40,000lbs. Trufax.

I used to be one of those people that just trusted buses, but since I became a driver I understand that the bus is VERY heavy and unfortunately sometimes the brakes do not always work the way they are supposed to and the bus can lurch or move unexpectedly. The video was correct to tell operators to pull the brake and put the bus in neutral (a veteran driver many years ago instructed me to do that very thing when loading bikes) and the video was also right to warn bicyclists not to cut across the front of a bus from left to right. I&#039;ve seen a few people nearly get killed that way as the bus &quot;suddenly&quot; moved pulling out from a stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the bus driver can see your bicycle just fine until you&#8217;re practically abreast of me. However, we might get into trouble if I&#8217;ve committed to a turn and you&#8217;re tearing down a hill at 30mph. A car doing that can stop easily, but you can&#8217;t. Then you&#8217;ll discover the sad truth that you + bicycle only weigh 150lbs, while my bus&#8211;unladen&#8211;weighs 40,000lbs. Trufax.</p>
<p>I used to be one of those people that just trusted buses, but since I became a driver I understand that the bus is VERY heavy and unfortunately sometimes the brakes do not always work the way they are supposed to and the bus can lurch or move unexpectedly. The video was correct to tell operators to pull the brake and put the bus in neutral (a veteran driver many years ago instructed me to do that very thing when loading bikes) and the video was also right to warn bicyclists not to cut across the front of a bus from left to right. I&#8217;ve seen a few people nearly get killed that way as the bus &#8220;suddenly&#8221; moved pulling out from a stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Lee Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Lee Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this video!  Most of the bus drivers in Chicago are friendly, if you are friendly.  Bus drivers are the most predicable drivers on the road.  Love &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this video!  Most of the bus drivers in Chicago are friendly, if you are friendly.  Bus drivers are the most predicable drivers on the road.  Love &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff/Cycler

I think your defensive style of cycling makes sense not just for buses but for all road vehicles much bigger than yourself. If someone is a lot bigger and badder than you, doesn&#039;t discretion prove the better part of valor?

Kaja,

You don&#039;t want to know what I&#039;m thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff/Cycler</p>
<p>I think your defensive style of cycling makes sense not just for buses but for all road vehicles much bigger than yourself. If someone is a lot bigger and badder than you, doesn&#8217;t discretion prove the better part of valor?</p>
<p>Kaja,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want to know what I&#8217;m thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://streetsblog.net/2010/03/18/how-can-bicycles-and-buses-share-the-road-more-safely/comment-page-1/#comment-2608</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great film.  I agree with lyqwyd @5--bus drivers as a group are highly trained and experienced professional drivers. I rarely have trouble with them.  Of course, in NYC it&#039;s feasible to ride on the left side of the street, eliminating most conflicts with buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great film.  I agree with lyqwyd @5&#8211;bus drivers as a group are highly trained and experienced professional drivers. I rarely have trouble with them.  Of course, in NYC it&#8217;s feasible to ride on the left side of the street, eliminating most conflicts with buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a vehicular cyclist and busses are the one thing I&#039;ll pull-over for.

If you&#039;re a semitrailer or van or passenger-car and you&#039;re on my ass while I&#039;m in the center of my rightmost lane, I will slow down and carefully give you an extended middle-finger until you quit being a jerk. God help you if you honk at me.

But for a bus, I&#039;ll get out of the way.

It&#039;s both out of the civic responsibility instinct, and because I ride a bus in the winter when it&#039;s too cold to ride, and I see the moves a lot of cyclists pull; and I never want to be that guy. (It&#039;s certainly not out of a sense of deference to bus /drivers/.)

That was a neat video, I&#039;m impressed CTA shows it to bus drivers. Contrast with NYCT operators, who&#039;re often happy to just drive from block to block inside the class-A bike lane, to avoid having to pull back out into a &quot;car lane.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a vehicular cyclist and busses are the one thing I&#8217;ll pull-over for.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a semitrailer or van or passenger-car and you&#8217;re on my ass while I&#8217;m in the center of my rightmost lane, I will slow down and carefully give you an extended middle-finger until you quit being a jerk. God help you if you honk at me.</p>
<p>But for a bus, I&#8217;ll get out of the way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s both out of the civic responsibility instinct, and because I ride a bus in the winter when it&#8217;s too cold to ride, and I see the moves a lot of cyclists pull; and I never want to be that guy. (It&#8217;s certainly not out of a sense of deference to bus /drivers/.)</p>
<p>That was a neat video, I&#8217;m impressed CTA shows it to bus drivers. Contrast with NYCT operators, who&#8217;re often happy to just drive from block to block inside the class-A bike lane, to avoid having to pull back out into a &#8220;car lane.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great video.  I just witnessed a confrontation this morning when a cyclist got very upset that a bus behind him had merged into the bike lane just before an intersection without an intention of turning right (the bus stop is on the far side of the intersection).  As the video points out, this is incorrect on the part of the bus driver.  But the reaction of the cyclist was overblown, he shouted obscenities at the bus driver and blocked our bus for a full traffic light sequence.  I felt bad for the bus driver, it&#039;s not an easy job to drive a bus in LA.  The bus drivers need more training as well as the cyclists.  I&#039;ve split lanes alot to get to an intersection even though it&#039;s not the safest thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great video.  I just witnessed a confrontation this morning when a cyclist got very upset that a bus behind him had merged into the bike lane just before an intersection without an intention of turning right (the bus stop is on the far side of the intersection).  As the video points out, this is incorrect on the part of the bus driver.  But the reaction of the cyclist was overblown, he shouted obscenities at the bus driver and blocked our bus for a full traffic light sequence.  I felt bad for the bus driver, it&#8217;s not an easy job to drive a bus in LA.  The bus drivers need more training as well as the cyclists.  I&#8217;ve split lanes alot to get to an intersection even though it&#8217;s not the safest thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: lyqwyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyqwyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I find buses to be some of the least worrying vehicles on the road. The start slow, they stop slow, they turn slow, where they stop is perfectly predictable, if I know the bus route then I know where the bus will turn. I also find many drivers to be very conscientious around cyclists, they have no door zone, they are much more likely to signal, and the drivers are pretty well trained. Sure some are irresponsible and reckless, but no more so than the average driver.

Even the poor girl who was killed was really killed by an irresponsible driver who opened their door without checking to see if it was safe.

Sure there could always be improvements, but I just don&#039;t find buses that scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I find buses to be some of the least worrying vehicles on the road. The start slow, they stop slow, they turn slow, where they stop is perfectly predictable, if I know the bus route then I know where the bus will turn. I also find many drivers to be very conscientious around cyclists, they have no door zone, they are much more likely to signal, and the drivers are pretty well trained. Sure some are irresponsible and reckless, but no more so than the average driver.</p>
<p>Even the poor girl who was killed was really killed by an irresponsible driver who opened their door without checking to see if it was safe.</p>
<p>Sure there could always be improvements, but I just don&#8217;t find buses that scary.</p>
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		<title>By: cycler</title>
		<link>http://streetsblog.net/2010/03/18/how-can-bicycles-and-buses-share-the-road-more-safely/comment-page-1/#comment-2601</link>
		<dc:creator>cycler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent video- higher production values than the average training video, and a nicely balanced presentation.

Perhaps I&#039;m just one of those crazy &quot;slow bicycle&quot; people, but I think that my life is worth the 20 seconds I&#039;d save riding up in the blind spot of a bus on either side, and I&#039;m happier just hanging way back, stopping and waiting if necessary to give it a wide berth.  If I can&#039;t give it a full lane&#039;s space, I&#039;m not going to pass it.  Rather than play leapfrog,  I&#039;ll just pull over and get a cup of coffee or smell the flowers.  If I&#039;m in a hurry, I&#039;ll find another route rather than pass and be passed repeatedly.

Of course, I&#039;m also one of those crazy &quot;vehicular cyclists&quot;  too, and I stay way out in the lane and make the bus pass instead of letting it crowd me into the door zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent video- higher production values than the average training video, and a nicely balanced presentation.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m just one of those crazy &#8220;slow bicycle&#8221; people, but I think that my life is worth the 20 seconds I&#8217;d save riding up in the blind spot of a bus on either side, and I&#8217;m happier just hanging way back, stopping and waiting if necessary to give it a wide berth.  If I can&#8217;t give it a full lane&#8217;s space, I&#8217;m not going to pass it.  Rather than play leapfrog,  I&#8217;ll just pull over and get a cup of coffee or smell the flowers.  If I&#8217;m in a hurry, I&#8217;ll find another route rather than pass and be passed repeatedly.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m also one of those crazy &#8220;vehicular cyclists&#8221;  too, and I stay way out in the lane and make the bus pass instead of letting it crowd me into the door zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Navigating buses can be tricky for a cyclist.   It&#039;s tough to gauge how to best overtake a stop-and-go vehicle that merges in and out of traffic, sometimes slower than you, sometimes faster than you.

This leapfrogging often results in a cyclist temporarily positioned in a narrow, uncomfortable space between the left side of the bus and moving vehicles... or between the right side of the bus and stationary vehicles.  With so much to look out for on the road, I can understand how the bus driver might not notice such a small road user in such a small space, especially far behind them along a long, articulated bus.  

Conflicting traffic laws don&#039;t help... cyclists are supposed to ride in the rightmost travel lane, but also must obey all other motor vehicular laws, which forbid use of a bus lane.  Where do they belong?  As such, how can bus drivers know where and how to look out for them?

All this said, as a cyclist I would much rather share the road with 100 buses and no cars than 100 cars and no buses.  The real issue is that bus drivers, like cyclists, must share the road with zillions of barely-trained nuts zipping around everything else in their rush to wait at the next traffic light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Navigating buses can be tricky for a cyclist.   It&#8217;s tough to gauge how to best overtake a stop-and-go vehicle that merges in and out of traffic, sometimes slower than you, sometimes faster than you.</p>
<p>This leapfrogging often results in a cyclist temporarily positioned in a narrow, uncomfortable space between the left side of the bus and moving vehicles&#8230; or between the right side of the bus and stationary vehicles.  With so much to look out for on the road, I can understand how the bus driver might not notice such a small road user in such a small space, especially far behind them along a long, articulated bus.  </p>
<p>Conflicting traffic laws don&#8217;t help&#8230; cyclists are supposed to ride in the rightmost travel lane, but also must obey all other motor vehicular laws, which forbid use of a bus lane.  Where do they belong?  As such, how can bus drivers know where and how to look out for them?</p>
<p>All this said, as a cyclist I would much rather share the road with 100 buses and no cars than 100 cars and no buses.  The real issue is that bus drivers, like cyclists, must share the road with zillions of barely-trained nuts zipping around everything else in their rush to wait at the next traffic light.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me an idealist, but I do everything in my power to give way to buses, whether that means switching lanes, or even pulling to the side for a few seconds to let them pass. I&#039;m a strong believer in putting the needs of the whole over the needs of the individual. I am an individual, operating a personal vehicle, and therefore believe my needs are secondary to smooth transit operations for the benefit of the city as a whole. Plus I have a lot of respect for bus drivers and the tough job they do (I could never imagine operating a huge, boxy, articulated box through the city streets!) and want to help make their job as easy as possible! Again, not only is it a difficult job, but it&#039;s an extremely useful one as far as these men and women contributing a viable service to the city.

Of course this respect I have for bus drivers creates a false sense of security around them in traffic, that since they are indeed trained professionals employed by the MTA (as opposed to your everyday motorist), my life seems safer in their hands. But I acknowledge reality: Due diligence around buses! Due diligence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me an idealist, but I do everything in my power to give way to buses, whether that means switching lanes, or even pulling to the side for a few seconds to let them pass. I&#8217;m a strong believer in putting the needs of the whole over the needs of the individual. I am an individual, operating a personal vehicle, and therefore believe my needs are secondary to smooth transit operations for the benefit of the city as a whole. Plus I have a lot of respect for bus drivers and the tough job they do (I could never imagine operating a huge, boxy, articulated box through the city streets!) and want to help make their job as easy as possible! Again, not only is it a difficult job, but it&#8217;s an extremely useful one as far as these men and women contributing a viable service to the city.</p>
<p>Of course this respect I have for bus drivers creates a false sense of security around them in traffic, that since they are indeed trained professionals employed by the MTA (as opposed to your everyday motorist), my life seems safer in their hands. But I acknowledge reality: Due diligence around buses! Due diligence!</p>
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