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		<title>By: Koba</title>
		<link>http://streetsblog.net/2010/05/24/why-drag-two-tons-of-car-with-you-wherever-you-go/comment-page-1/#comment-4479</link>
		<dc:creator>Koba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 04:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Galvan (#4), I urge you to read the facts on this webpage of the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. The facts are based on data collected in the 2001 National Household Travel Survey. http://www.bts.gov/publications/highlights_of_the_2001_national_household_travel_survey/html/section_02.html

You&#039;ll see that most trips are not for commuting but for personal (haircut, doctor) and shopping (grocery, clothes) reasons. Additionally, the average American driver makes 4 trips a day (87% of trips are by personal automobile) and drives 29 miles.

One strategy non-motorized transportation advocates are trying is to educate people about the health benefits and monetary savings of taking some of those trips and having them completed by walking or bicycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Galvan (#4), I urge you to read the facts on this webpage of the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. The facts are based on data collected in the 2001 National Household Travel Survey. <a href="http://www.bts.gov/publications/highlights_of_the_2001_national_household_travel_survey/html/section_02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bts.gov/publications/highlights_of_the_2001_national_household_travel_survey/html/section_02.html</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see that most trips are not for commuting but for personal (haircut, doctor) and shopping (grocery, clothes) reasons. Additionally, the average American driver makes 4 trips a day (87% of trips are by personal automobile) and drives 29 miles.</p>
<p>One strategy non-motorized transportation advocates are trying is to educate people about the health benefits and monetary savings of taking some of those trips and having them completed by walking or bicycling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Stosberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Stosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 23:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InDaDrops: The ceramic tiles were made in an energy-efficient factory that uses is able to use low-temperature process due to the tile being made with over 55% recycled glass. There factory is located only about 2 miles from the church basement where the floor was to be installed, to support a computer hardware recycling program. So, there were not additional trips for the tile to make to go first to a distributor and then to a retail store. The factory also features a parking lot made of crushed, discarded tile instead of using asphalt. 

When you say &quot;leave the floor the way it was&quot;, that was not viable. The previous condition included moldy carpet laid over old vinyl tile which itself stank, was falling apart and covered in carpet adhesive. Underneath the vinyl tile was an old asphalt-based adhesive that was itself difficult to remove, although some mortars could be used to put a new floor over top it. 

I also used a bike to haul away some the old floor waste to the landfill, including one load with a total weight of 540 lbs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/markstos/4590857686/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InDaDrops: The ceramic tiles were made in an energy-efficient factory that uses is able to use low-temperature process due to the tile being made with over 55% recycled glass. There factory is located only about 2 miles from the church basement where the floor was to be installed, to support a computer hardware recycling program. So, there were not additional trips for the tile to make to go first to a distributor and then to a retail store. The factory also features a parking lot made of crushed, discarded tile instead of using asphalt. </p>
<p>When you say &#8220;leave the floor the way it was&#8221;, that was not viable. The previous condition included moldy carpet laid over old vinyl tile which itself stank, was falling apart and covered in carpet adhesive. Underneath the vinyl tile was an old asphalt-based adhesive that was itself difficult to remove, although some mortars could be used to put a new floor over top it. </p>
<p>I also used a bike to haul away some the old floor waste to the landfill, including one load with a total weight of 540 lbs:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/markstos/4590857686/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/markstos/4590857686/</a></p>
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		<title>By: InDaDrops</title>
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		<dc:creator>InDaDrops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the energy required to create those 4,000 pounds of tile and mortar in the first place?  Seems to be a pretty self-righteous argument to make when you would have saved even more energy by just leaving your floor the way it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the energy required to create those 4,000 pounds of tile and mortar in the first place?  Seems to be a pretty self-righteous argument to make when you would have saved even more energy by just leaving your floor the way it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 03:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gecko: bridge support stress is linear in weight, in principle. In practice it&#039;s less than linear, because the bridge needs to support itself too. In addition, cycles take much less street width and can run closer together, so the bridge would have to support more of them at the same time.

But it doesn&#039;t matter, because New York&#039;s pre-automobile bridges were all built to support trolleys. They&#039;re safe with cars, and they&#039;re going to be safe with bicycles, pedestrians, and buses.

What&#039;s more than linear in weight is road wear, which is not the same as bridge strength. Road wear is proportional to the fourth power of axle load, which means that a 65-kg person riding a 15-kg bicycle contributes 1/400,000th as much to road wear as a person driving in a 2,000-kg car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gecko: bridge support stress is linear in weight, in principle. In practice it&#8217;s less than linear, because the bridge needs to support itself too. In addition, cycles take much less street width and can run closer together, so the bridge would have to support more of them at the same time.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t matter, because New York&#8217;s pre-automobile bridges were all built to support trolleys. They&#8217;re safe with cars, and they&#8217;re going to be safe with bicycles, pedestrians, and buses.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more than linear in weight is road wear, which is not the same as bridge strength. Road wear is proportional to the fourth power of axle load, which means that a 65-kg person riding a 15-kg bicycle contributes 1/400,000th as much to road wear as a person driving in a 2,000-kg car.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 01:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overweight vehicles are not only highly inefficient, they greatly amplify the instructure required to support them.

It is probably much more than a linear effect but a simple linear example would be that a bridge required to hold a 2500 pound vehicle requires 100 times the amount of material of a bridge that is required to carry a 25 pound vehicle and every bridge there after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overweight vehicles are not only highly inefficient, they greatly amplify the instructure required to support them.</p>
<p>It is probably much more than a linear effect but a simple linear example would be that a bridge required to hold a 2500 pound vehicle requires 100 times the amount of material of a bridge that is required to carry a 25 pound vehicle and every bridge there after.</p>
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		<title>By: John Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Galvan...

According to the Nationwide Personal Transportation Survey, 25 percent of all trips are made within a mile of the home, 40 percent of all trips are within two miles of the home, and 50 percent of the working population commutes five miles or less to work. Yet more than 82 percent of trips five miles or less are made by personal motor vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Galvan&#8230;</p>
<p>According to the Nationwide Personal Transportation Survey, 25 percent of all trips are made within a mile of the home, 40 percent of all trips are within two miles of the home, and 50 percent of the working population commutes five miles or less to work. Yet more than 82 percent of trips five miles or less are made by personal motor vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Sandblom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Sandblom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An advantage of bicycles, wheelbarrows etc. is that they can come closer to where the cargo needs to be unloaded. If you want to build a patio for instance, it&#039;s easy to take the materials by bike or wheelbarrow straight into the yard. That way there&#039;s less carrying.

Perhaps the most underrated cargo-moving device is the simple two-wheeled shopping cart my grandmother used. She packed it at the grocery store and wheeled it home, and straight into the kitchen. No need for help with carrying the groceries from the car to the kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An advantage of bicycles, wheelbarrows etc. is that they can come closer to where the cargo needs to be unloaded. If you want to build a patio for instance, it&#8217;s easy to take the materials by bike or wheelbarrow straight into the yard. That way there&#8217;s less carrying.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most underrated cargo-moving device is the simple two-wheeled shopping cart my grandmother used. She packed it at the grocery store and wheeled it home, and straight into the kitchen. No need for help with carrying the groceries from the car to the kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: David Galvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Galvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 18:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biking/Walking is great within a 5-mile / 1 mile radius of home.  Reducing car usage in that zone is an admirable goal.  But most people in the U.S. primarily use the car for commuting to work, and because of the longer distances involved, that&#039;s where most of the car usage is coming from.  

Also, I think the real way most people deal with this problem of running close-to-home errands is to stop at the store ON THE WAY to or from work.  IE: Most of the time, they are generally not leaving their home, driving one mile to the store, and then driving back home.  They are driving 10-20 miles back from work, and stopping by the store on their way home.  It saves tons of time compared to coming home, getting on the bike, then going back out again.  

To use myself as an example, if I need to run a close-to-home errand on the weekend, I usually bike.  But if it&#039;s during the weekday, I just schedule the errand for on my way to work or on my way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biking/Walking is great within a 5-mile / 1 mile radius of home.  Reducing car usage in that zone is an admirable goal.  But most people in the U.S. primarily use the car for commuting to work, and because of the longer distances involved, that&#8217;s where most of the car usage is coming from.  </p>
<p>Also, I think the real way most people deal with this problem of running close-to-home errands is to stop at the store ON THE WAY to or from work.  IE: Most of the time, they are generally not leaving their home, driving one mile to the store, and then driving back home.  They are driving 10-20 miles back from work, and stopping by the store on their way home.  It saves tons of time compared to coming home, getting on the bike, then going back out again.  </p>
<p>To use myself as an example, if I need to run a close-to-home errand on the weekend, I usually bike.  But if it&#8217;s during the weekday, I just schedule the errand for on my way to work or on my way home.</p>
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		<title>By: taomom</title>
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		<dc:creator>taomom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this realization might be obvious to readers of this board, it is not obvious to 99% of the American population.

Gasoline is an amazingly dense carrier of energy.  One single gallon contains the equivalent of 120 hours of human labor.  If we were to pay at the pump the value of its human labor equivalent, gasoline in San Francisco would cost $1175 per gallon.  Having run through half--the easy half--of the earth&#039;s supply of oil, we really should only be using it now for heavy machinery such as tractors and bulldozers because our grandchildren are going to be hard-pressed to find a substitute. They will marvel at how we squandered 500 million years of geological heritage on such frivolous uses in so short of span and poisoned the earth while we were at it.   

For more info on peak oil:

http://scitizen.com/future-energies/do-texas-and-the-north-sea-foretell-the-future-of-oil-production-_a-14-3388.html

A good video on our predicament, Blind Spot (watch for free on this link):

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/blind_spot/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this realization might be obvious to readers of this board, it is not obvious to 99% of the American population.</p>
<p>Gasoline is an amazingly dense carrier of energy.  One single gallon contains the equivalent of 120 hours of human labor.  If we were to pay at the pump the value of its human labor equivalent, gasoline in San Francisco would cost $1175 per gallon.  Having run through half&#8211;the easy half&#8211;of the earth&#8217;s supply of oil, we really should only be using it now for heavy machinery such as tractors and bulldozers because our grandchildren are going to be hard-pressed to find a substitute. They will marvel at how we squandered 500 million years of geological heritage on such frivolous uses in so short of span and poisoned the earth while we were at it.   </p>
<p>For more info on peak oil:</p>
<p><a href="http://scitizen.com/future-energies/do-texas-and-the-north-sea-foretell-the-future-of-oil-production-_a-14-3388.html" rel="nofollow">http://scitizen.com/future-energies/do-texas-and-the-north-sea-foretell-the-future-of-oil-production-_a-14-3388.html</a></p>
<p>A good video on our predicament, Blind Spot (watch for free on this link):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/blind_spot/" rel="nofollow">http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/blind_spot/</a></p>
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